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Interviewed by Derek Slaton--December 4, 1995,the Gaston Gazette.

D.S.:How has the road treated you so far?

Pogo:Good, as always.

D.S.:I was at your show last Thursday in Winston Salem, were you aware that the barricade broke during 1st song?

Pogo:I don't know, I wasn't really paying that much attention.

D.S.:Would that have affected you in any way?

Pogo:Not me. As long as people don't get on stage too much. We like to see people break shit, it's good, it inspires us to break things, like barricades, each other, equipment.

D.S.: Cool. Even though you have a full length album and a new E.P., does it anger you that you get little or no airplay?

Pogo: It's kind of expected, I mean ,we have always relied on live shows. People find out about us by hearing our albums or by word of mouth or because they have been to a live show. Radio and MTV haven't made us therefore they can't break us. That's the kind of band we are, we do what we want, and maybe one day it will catch up to us, but its not up to us what the fuck the radio wants or what MTV wants.

D.S.: I know what you mean, I had to record MTV for three nights just to get the "Dope Hat" video.

Pogo: Wow! I didn't even know they played it.

D.S.: Incredible video, by the way.

Pogo:Oh, well thanks.

D.S.: Are there any plans for Trent Reznor to do any more dance remixes of your songs?

Pogo: I don't know.

D.S.: Would you like to see him do any more?

Pogo: That's up to him really. It depends on how much time he has. It's good to have him as well as a lot of other talented people he uses. It's just whether or not he has the time really.Trent is a very busy man.

D.S.:Would you like to go on tour with him again?

Pogo: If he wants us to, sure, they are like our favorite band to tour with.

D.S.: I love your cover of "Sweet Dreams" and "I Put a Spell on you." What other covers would you like to do?

Pogo: We've basically done all the songs we want to cover, although there are a few other one's we've done in the past like Deep Purple's "Space Tracking" and a few other things like that. In fact, we have never really done any covers until the EP. So basically we never were a cover band, we're original, with the exception of the few covers we played live. People wanted to hear them on record so we decided to put them on there for the fans.

D.S.: Will any of your demo songs (such as "White Knuckles" and "Dune Buggy") show up on AC Superstar?

Pogo:I don't believe those songs will, but there might be some earlier stuff, maybe "Suicide Snowman."

D.S.: I have read where one of your band's messages is to be yourself and not to be a follower, yet your band has a lot of followers, does that make you feel like your message is not getting across?

Pogo:It gets across to those who need to get it. I mean, 10 different people can read the bible and interpret it 10 different ways, so that's why there are so many diversions of Christianity, so you might as well do the same thing to us. I mean, we know what our message is, but they can interpret is however they want, that's the whole point of it. If they want to be a follower that's fine, we don't promote it, but, you know, we can't control that. But it's like that in any case, like Satanism. We do our own rituals that most people wouldn't understand what the point or message of it was. People are all into the bullshit magic aspects of it, black masses and all that stupid devil worship crap. Satanism is all about individuality and doing what you need to do, so once again stuff gets misinterpreted and as long as you get something out of it that they enjoy then why not, you know, it doesn't all have to be the same thing.

D.S.:It seems like the band has a lot of different messages, what is the most important one that you would like to get across to the people?

Pogo: Kill the Chicken!! That is the first and most important message that needs to be taught. I have an utter hate for everything mediocre. It has to be either really bad or really good. The stuff in the middle sucks.

D.S.:Could you explain a little bit more about the chicken?

Pogo: The chicken now has become a figurehead for a much greater cause. To kill the chicken does not mean to literally kill a chicken, but it has become a metaphor for a much greater cause related to smashing everything that deserves to be smashed. Not allowing, especially, once again, things that are mediocre, bland, and boring. You know, people who are exciting, people who have something to do, they Kill the Chicken, they get something done, they change something. So there is a certain amount of excitement there.

D.S.:After seeing the size of this place (picture your living room), would you ever like to start playing amphitheaters, or would you rather stay in clubs?

Pogo: It's just whatever, I mean, I don't book the shows, booking agents do that, that's what we pay them for, so you know, I just like playing, it's all about playing. Small places, big placed, it's all good to me. To me, being on stage is like jacking off, ok, you do it for yourself, you know, you hear the music and you play the music, so your at a concert but your giving a concert just like jacking off your having sex but your also giving sex, where you're the only person there, and the person that matters too, it's like doing shows, I don't really give a fuck what anybody else thinks, just as long as I enjoy the show, everybody else can go to fucking hell. I don't care if there is 5 or 5,000 because if you have to worry about audiences then you're controlled by them, and I'm not controlled by anybody, so I don't care if they like me or they hate me, whatever, as long as I'm into it. That's all that counts.

D.S.:By the way, I have seen you perform twice, I love the way you perform, it's very entertaining.

Pogo:Thanks. Well, see, there again, I don't play that way because you like it, because if I rely on other people's opinions, then I'm controlled by them and we're not about being controlled, we do what we lie, and if people don't like it, fuck 'em!

D.S.: How much stuff on Revelation #9 is backwards?

Pogo: Well, there are 13 exact tracks on Revelation #9, it consists of 13 tracks in which at least 6 are reversed.

D.S.: When we played it backwards, we heard things like "Welcome to the other side"

Pogo:Oh yeah, there is all kinds of fan stuff on there, it's playable in any direction. It is equally playable in any direction. It has an equal number of tracks in each direction.

D.S.: Unfortunately, I haven't seen your performance on the Jon Stewart Show. How much damage did you guys cause?

Pogo:Smashed keyboards, lit the stage on fire, broke a lot of stuff, I can't remember the magnitude of the damage because I was on lipids at the time. I don't even remember what happened. Manson is lighting stuff on fire and it's all just crazy. So I don't remember to much of it, it's all kinda fucked up.

D.S.:How do you feel about people bootlegging your show? Does that bother you?

Pogo: Obviously, it should. I mean, I'm still a capitalist, we all are. I mean, I could use the money they're making off the bootlegs. Another thing is that they usually suck because fans get a low quality product that hasn't gotten the Marilyn Mansons stamp of approval of quality. So your ripping off the public and 2nd, I could use the money to buy drugs with, and it pisses me off. So there are 2 good reasons why it sucks. I mean, right now they're taking drugs out of my mouth every time they do that. I find that offensive.

D.S.: When is the video set to come out?

Pogo: It should be out sometime this next year, it is being compiled presently.

D.S.: What will the video consist of?

Pogo: All kinds of magical stuff, going ahead and revealing it wouldn't be any fun, you know, it's like you have to wait until you get inside the Chocolate factory to see what it's like. That's what makes it fun. It's like getting a golden ticket when the video arrives. There you go, but until then, the outside of the factory is all you get to see.

D.S.: Anything you would like to talk about?

Pogo: Yeah, just learning to speak Chinese.

D.S.: Chinese?

Pogo: Yeah, to annoy Spanish people in line at supermarkets. You know, they're always talking about me in Spanish, and it annoys me when they don't use English in public so I'm learning to speak Chinese so I can talk about them and piss them off back. It's fun.

D.S.: Why were you originally not going to play tonight?

Pogo: Because the stage ain't too fucking big!

D.S.: When you're not touring, what do you usually do?

Pogo:I don't know, really, this is all I do. Make sounds, play music, get fucked up, get on the bus, and do it again. It's good and I like it, it's very exciting.

D.S.: Have you ever had any formal training in the keyboard?

Pogo:Hell no. I had never picked one up until I joined this band. I'm not about musicians, I hate musicians. I'm all about entertaining, you know. That's why I have more in common with a stripper than fucking Billy Joel. I'm more worried about entertaining than writing art and all that stupid shit. It's not about art at all, it's about giving something fun and putting on a show. Not standing being utterly boring like fucking Helmet. I love Helmet's music, but to watch them live I fucking fall asleep.

D.S.: What other music do you listen to?

Pogo: Old Bee Gees, AOR rock, we're into classic rock because all the classic rock stations have become alternative stations and now they suck so the only alternative is AOR rock. Now all we listen to is bad Journey, bad Aerosmith, and shitty stuff like that we used to hate, but now that that's the alternative, that's what's not on the radio or MTV. So now the Bee Gees, and all this other exciting stuff, that's what we're about, everything is boring, for us to freak out we put on Lionel Richie and throw on some jeans, it's great.

D.S.: Scary, sounds like my mom's music.

Pogo: Exactly, that's frightening, we put on Billy Joel real loud, lie around in jeans, and just go crazy. Once you get so crazy, very normal things become crazy. Like in the crazy world, some things appear insane. So we live in a crazy alternate universe which you can't explain unless you're in it. So, like for us, the most insane thing is Lionel Richie and Billy Joel.

D.S.: Scary, very scary.

Pogo: Exactly, completely wrong in the "normal" world.

D.S.: Are you online?

Pogo:I don't like the Internet personally. To me it's just a place for gossip and other bullshit. I mean, why tie up all these beautiful telephone lines with nothing but gossip, it's nothing more than just a big fucking party line. Everybody in the world is now on the Internet. Do-Be-Do--Be-Da In like a year it went from nothing to everything. The Internet is useful for some things like transacting bank statements and shit like that, but for the most part it's just a bunch of bullshit. It's just a bunch of hype too, everyone in the world has become all mystified, except no one knows what the fuck they're doing on the Internet. They don't know how their computer works. The old days when I had computers we had to do programs ourself. You did everything yourself, typed in the code, programmed everything. If something went wrong you knew how to fix it, not if something crashes, you don't know if something crashed in the fucking DOS shell or did it crash in the fucking windows shell or what went down fucking where and Do-Be-Do-Be-Da. There are so many layers of shit it's become like cars, you can't fix them by yourself anymore, you have to take them to a mechanic. It' s all a fucking scam to make you dependent on a magical box. You press a button and this magical information comes up, you don't know how the fuck it does it. No one does. They just use it without having any clue on how it does it. They fucking waste it. Most people would die if all they had was 4 megs. 3 megs is huge, now all these computers have 512 megs. I remember 10 years ago when 1 meg was a lot, then it was 64 megs. People just waste it all. It's all wasted data. Or entire show consists of less than 16 megs. Everything in all our albums put together is less than half a gig, all the sounds we use, and that's nothing. It's like why have a big filling cabinet, you're never gonna have enough room, and closet space, no matter how much you have it's never enough. It's because people waste it. I'm so happy for that guy who wrote a program that closed down the net a few years back. I hope he writes another one. Anyone can claim to be anyone. People have acted like me before, it's a bunch of bullshit. I mean, garbage in, garbage out.

D.S.: About the only good thing I have found is that it's easier to get info on you guys.

Pogo: But a lot of times it is inaccurate. What's the point of information if it is not accurate? That's misinformation and that is actually worse for you.

D.S.: Do you have any input into the "Official Homepage?"

Pogo: No, we don't have any computers except for our manager who has one for business purposes, but as far as going on the Internet, no.

D.S.:How long have you been on tour?

Pogo: Two years

D.S.: Where is your home now?

Pogo: New Orleans.

D.S.: How do you like Clutch?

Pogo: They're cool, I liked their 1st record a lot, they're great guys, I enjoy partying with them, smoke a lot of grass, it's all a good thing. They're very different from us, which is good.

D.S.: I have heard where on one of your songs, if played backwards, you can hear "Onward Christians Marching."

Pogo: Yeah, there is some pro-Jesus stuff on some stuff backwards. Remember, if you get something devil and backmask it, you reverse it and it becomes good. Devil stuff backwards is actually good stuff. Therefore if you want to make something good you say it in reverse.So if you want to make something evil, you take a Christian thing and reverse it.

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